FEG INSIGHT BRIDGE PODCAST

The Odd Couple: The Fed and Treasury Nexus

Written by FEG | December 2, 2025

Karthik Ramanathan joins the FEG Insight Bridge Podcast to explore the intricate, often misunderstood relationship between the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury.

Host Greg Dowling sits down with Karthik Ramanathan, former Director of the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Debt Management, for a behind-the-scenes look at how the Treasury and the U.S. Federal Reserve intersect. From managing trillions in debt issuance to coordinating with the Fed around day-to-day policy execution as well as crisis event triage, Karthik shares firsthand insights into how Treasury decisions shape U.S. financial stability and global market dynamics. The conversation covers auction strategy, debt management, and the delicate balance between independence and collaboration—especially in times of economic and political stress.

Get an insider’s look at how leading U.S. financial institutions navigate today’s complex global financial system.

 

Key Takeaways:

  • The Fed and Treasury operate independently, but their actions are deeply intertwined, and not only during times of crisis—highlighting the importance of understanding their respective mandates and coordination mechanisms.
  • Debt issuance and interest rate policy are not just technical tools—they shape market liquidity, investor behavior, and economic stability.
  • Debt management is strategic. Decisions on maturity, timing, and auction design help manage liquidity, investor confidence, and fiscal stability—especially in volatile markets.
  •  Fed-Treasury coordination is crucial and systematic necessity. During crises, they must collaborate to stabilize markets while preserving their independence and distinct mandates.



Episode Chapters
0:00 Podcast Introduction
1:32 Welcome Karthik Ramanathan
2:22 U.S. Treasury 101
3:35 Karthik’s Journey to the Treasury 
4:15 Leading the Office of Debt Management
4:48 Navigating the Great Financial Crisis 
5:57 Lessons Learned 
6:22 Interaction Between the Treasury & the Fed 
8:36 Impact of Borrowing on the Fed 
11:08 Treasury’s Petty Cash 
11:43 Optimal Financing—Regular & Predictable 
13:28 Why Invest in U.S. Debt? 
15:43 Can Treasury Auctions Fail? 
19:08 Independence at the Treasury? 
20:36 Effects of Tariff Revenue 
22:10 Political Pressure on the Fed 
24:47 Impact of Federal Shutdowns on Treasury
26:08 You’re Fed Chair—Now What? 
28:36 Outlook for 2026
30:42 Possibility of a U.S. Sovereign Wealth Fund
31:47 Privatizing Social Security and Potential Impact
33:48 Payden & Rygel’s Fixed Income and Credit Outlook 
35:28 Karthik’s Reading List 
36:15 Lightning Round